Senate Leaders: Pelosicare Is 'Dead on Arrival'
WASHINGTON - The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.
Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."
The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.
If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.
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1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - I have to go but I look forward to more constructive talks to come. Maybe eventually one of us will convice the other. Have a wonderful evening.
Proudnow
It has been a pleasure and I assure you that is the first time I've ever written anything like that on this site. LOL! You too have a wonderful evening.
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - Tort reform(which the dems will NEVER go for because the trial lawyers are their biggest source of contributions) and portability and high risk pools would do so much more without destroying what is working just fine for 80% of the population. I do not have insurance, but I would rather strive to get it myself than have Fedzilla take over and "give" it to me.
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - Yes, healthcare needs to be adressed, a gov't takover is just the wrong way to do it. No entity on earth can waste money and just plain make it disappear(into their pockets)like our federal gov't. There is more greed in D.C. than ANY boardroom.
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - If the public option is meant to compete with private insurance, why does this bill do away with the sale of private insurance after 2013? Does that sound like competition to you?
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - Why 1992 pages crafted behind locked(not just closed)doors with no republicans allowed? This in the "administration of transparency".
Proudnow
When I began replying to you I first did so in jest,truly trying only to aggravate you. I don't want to do that anymore so I'll ask you one question. Do you think the American Health Care system as it now stands serves the people in this country the way they deserve to be served? That is the only issue I really have. It is not right and Republicans have a long history of fighting it. (as do some dems.)Like many politicians,they get huge dollars from these insurance,pharmaceutical companies. It did not meet their needs to hamper profits earned by these big guys. Only now are they being forced to consider it's time for a change. This is the change we've all been waiting for. My family has always had insurance,we're fortunate. I swear to you I've seen hard working families destroyed through no fault of their own when hit by medical catastrophe. I don't really care how it gets done. I'm glad it is finally going to happen.
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - If this is such a great bill, why do the "benefits" not start until 2013? Can you at least answer that? The taxes start as soon as it passes of course.
Proudnow
The reason for the delayed start is twofold. The structure needed to begin this type of unprecedented action is not automatically in place. It will have to be designed to accomodate. From my understanding the second reason is solely to placate Republican stick in the mud politicians that will have to explain to their constituants how sorry they are for not getting on board in the first place
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - Just read the bill, will you just do that?
Proudnow
Republicans have been embarrassed into trying to put together a plan. They dodged it in 1994,and they tried dodging again this year. It is the American public,screaming for reform that has forced their hand. They have yet to come up with anything that prevents insurance middlemen from taking .85 of every health care dollar. Don't worry folks..we're gonna fix it for you. Like it or not.
Juzjon
I feel sorry for the way you think and feel, I really do.
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Then the gov't can have everyone's money and freedom, great solution. If your house needs new carpet, do you take a bulldozer to it?
Proudnow
I believe you may be well intentioned,but this is progress for many folks in this country. We are to great a country to ever again let our citizens be bankrupted because of a medical catastrophe. It can happen to anyone regardless of how long they "saved up" for medical emergency. It will happen,and it will be OK. Don't let the government scare you...look how brave the teabaggers are!
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - You are only proving my point that you are blindly supporting a bill that you know nothing about. We are not against fixing healthcare, but a government takeover will do nothing to help anyone. It will only lead to more gov't power, which comes with corruption, waste, fraud, and abuse. You can call me whatever names you like, it doesn't change the facts.
wishiwasanalien
wouldn't repubs get elected quicker if they came up with a sensible bills instead of attacking every dem idea without a solution
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
They have, they are not being considered. Republicans are locked out of the debate. Google Jim DeMint healthcare, that is but one example.
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
End of Life Counselor to elderly person: Hello, are you still paying taxes? No, okay here take this little purple pill, ge some sleep and when you wake up you will be seeing Jesus."
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
Why is affrodable healthcare going to cost the average family 17% of their income?
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - That is one sad little excuse you've got. No one's going to buy that. All your other vile posts go through, why would they not let your uninformed points go through just because you are talking directly with someone else?
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
Dems keep trying to slip in abortion on demand, end of life counseling, and sneaking in the vote when they don't think anyone is observing, if this healthcare reform is the will of the people then why do they have to be such lying, sneaking, cheaters about it?
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
Unfortunately Grahamnesty's word is only is good until Obama offers him a little something like he did to Rep.(R) Cao of La.
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
Proudnow
Twelve hours later and still looking for a debate partner....LOL! This site is not conducive to debate. I've tried. Fox will not allow a point to be made. The point is moot. It will pass and you will live with it. It disturbs me no end some of you self professed Christians have so little compassion for your neighbors.
Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 08:05 AM
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How about we have been supporting our neighbors for generations now and are really tired of it, the War on Poverty failed, all it did was create a section of the population that became totally depndant on the government and got their extra spending money hooking and selling drugs, now we have to make sure that they have the same kind of medical care that honest hardworking people have? It time they got off the government tit and earned something.
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
Can someone help me understand how making healthcare even more unaffrodable, fining and imprisonment if you don't have healthcare, and not covering everyone, be called healthcare reform?
American Eagle (OathKeeper)
One of the few times that I actually hope Grahamnesty is right.
Proudnow
@Sharon....I am not a Christian,I gave that up some forty years ago when I began to think for myself. As for your roof,perhaps you should have done a better job educating yourself so you could pay for your own roof. There will be Health Care reform in America and you will eat what is served. Brakes go on cars,breaks are what what happen when Christian/conservatism crumbles all around you. Your very own children mock you all....
The Galactic Overlord
I guess you are saying that they should have done a better job educating themselves so that they can afford health care now. Don't rely on public education.
Stupid..Stupid..Liberals
Proudnow
Even the best educated are one catastrophy away from medical bankruptcy. I know you folks feel the insurance companies are entitled to all they can get. I don't.
@Liberpolesmoker....What is the point? You'll not listen to me,and I don't give two hoots about you or your position. I come here for the crazy and the frequent laughs I get from it.
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
Proudnow - Ready to discuss this bill yet?
Paladin
Good, there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the Federal government the power to force Americans into healthcare and then punish them if they refuse to sign up. If this thing passes, the States should rise up and use the power of the 10th amendment to disallow its implementation.
Dale Jeu
This is NOT about healthcare.
It is about government control of people's lives.
There will be thousands of gov. officials that will go INTO the homes of people with children, to "check on the health of the child"
The health will include "abuse and neglect"
Who defines "abuse?"
Abuse could be teaching a child that Jesus is the only way to heaven, therefore NOT teaching a child to be tolerant of muslims, buddists, etc...
Sharon
Hey Proudnow are you a christian? You want to help your neighbor ? I need a new roof and new breaks for my car I think you should pay for them.
countaxula
SOBEMIKE
this bill isnt about the gov spending money on health care
lol
this bill is being passed to TAX young people who currently
DONT WANT HEALTH CARE
Andrea
A Closer Look at the House Democrats' Health Care Billhttp://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2648.cfm
nolies74621
Hey nimrod! Your hero Obama continues to spend money on Iraq, has not closed Gitmo and is claiming Afghanistan as his war. Why don't you call Obama out on that loser.
Democrats (commies) are the Enemy
The govt healthcare bill is going nowhere just like the country with Obama in the WH. We need a real change in 2010 and 2012 not another disaster like Obama and the Democrats (commies).
grandmother
......code blue
TheFew.ThePissed.TheTaxpayers.
Read up: Cloward pivin strategy by crises:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the_clowardpiven_strategy_of_e.html
TheFew.ThePissed.TheTaxpayers.
BO's plan: Turn everything upside down. Make the rich poor, make the poor richer. Entitlements for the poor, taxes for the rich. The goon needs to be impeached. NOW.
A. Capone
Is there is a "pre-existing condition clause" for cancer patients in the bill like some private insurance compamies hide behind?
1st CONFISCATORY CHURCH OF THE GLOW-BALL MYTH
You got all that through but couldn't answer just one of my questions? Go figure.
Boycott the left
Why should anyone debate you? I'm on this site for agreement, not debate. If I wanted to debate fools I'd be on a democrat forum.
Proudnow
Twelve hours later and still looking for a debate partner....LOL! This site is not conducive to debate. I've tried. Fox will not allow a point to be made. The point is moot. It will pass and you will live with it. It disturbs me no end some of you self professed Christians have so little compassion for your neighbors.
SaukPrincess
Wide Awake: Let's vote 'em out in 2010 & 2012. In the meantine, you grab the teapot, I'll bring the Earl Grey & we'll hit the streets! haha
Redman
don't believe anything any politician says, I don't care what party or what subject. The people pushing this are so elitist and idealistic that no one can say what will happen in the future and these guys are boobs if they believe their own comments!
A. Capone
Also the ones against. That's why none of them can really be trusted. Almost all of them have their hands in the pocket of insurance companies one way or the other.
Wide Awake
I feel a revolution coming on. I don't know how far Obama thinks he can push this nation before we push back.
A. Capone
Stop all lobbying of our elected officials immediately. Lobbying has thrown a smokescreen over this debate and our rights.
How can we expect a fair deal from these people.? We will never see truth with secret deals and liasons being made for money and promises.
Our voice will never be heard. Unless we bring with us money and promises.
Jim Fitz
Dont be to sure. These people will make all kinds of deals to get what they want. And we will pay!
WeThePeople
"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow." ~ Federalist No. 62