President Barack Obama said his $787 billion stimulus bill “has worked as intended” as he pushed back against Republican criticism that his recovery program has failed to rescue the economy.
thanks Joe, I hope that is all it is I have tried other times on other topics and they seem to really censor?
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:09 PM
Navy(Retired) Oathkeeper
If destroying the country and the economy are the intent then it has worked great
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:28 PM
jcoke09
I thoroughly agree.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Dakota Kid
Right On!!!!
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:34 PM
AngeV.
Hey Charlie, you have the right to call my comment senseless. Just having a little fun. Honestly though, it is undeniable that BO's approval rating is consistently declining. This move of socialism is not going over well because in our hearts we will always be Americans and proud of it.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:27 PM
J Lepper U.S. Army Retired
It has worked according to his "intent". His "intent" is not to help the economy but to socialize into a world ruled under the United Nations......with his bretheren running the show.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:21 PM
steve.c.
This President really has no credibility with me, as unimportant as I am in the scheme of things, let me say, does he mean to say that he wanted to screw the economy up worse than it was when he took over? Get us to double digit unemployment? Hope by 2012 to get us back to about 7.5 to 8%, which was his worst forecast if he didn't get the stimulus? and then by 2012 be able to say he turned it arond? Then all we will have to do is pay off the trillion or so $ deficit!
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:19 PM
CzarsRUs
Sorry for the misprint Steve. It was you are not unimportant in the scheme of things. Sorry.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM
CzarsRUs
You are unimportant in the scheme of things. You, and people like you, can start making the government work for you...not you working for the government.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:37 PM
Special Forces (Ret)
Charlie, You're a typical Lib. The first thing you do is attack my user name to somehow discredit or demean me. There are others on the board with similar user names. Why have they escaped being skewered by your rapier wit? Your thoughts will have to stand on their own because they have very little to support them.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:18 PM
Vietnam Veteran
Special Forces - Charlie has attacked my name as well. I find it hard to believe he was in the military as he says. I don't know of anyone who has served his/her country that has so little respect for the military.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:00 PM
Special Forces (Ret)
He really doth protest too much, doesn't he. Makes one wonder about him and his "Liberal friends who served".
Normally, anyone who has spent any appreciative time in the military is not inclined to get their education from reading Democrat bumper stickers.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 07:13 PM
killer
Hi Special:
See response below to Wendy. Then get back to me. And, the comment on your username was not an attack. It just strikes me as odd that so many on this site cite their military credentials. I served proudly, many of my "liberal" friends served proudly, and we don't view many of the conservatives as especially patriotic. After all, it was the conservatives that tried to vote down the recent expanded GI bill because they were afraid it would give soldiers a reason to leave the service. That is not patriotic, it is not supporting our military, and I don't understand why so many of you fail to see it.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:35 PM
RogerM
I'd like to know how "proudly" you served actually. Did you get your bonus and then get out, or just get your college fund and get out? Doing time in the military just for a benefit is not "serving proudly". Did you retire charlie? Did you serve your country until by regulation you couldn't serve anymore? Or did you get out once you realized that you couldn't hack it and you had gotten all you could for yourself?
We were too busy watching the government figure out how to tax service personnel healthcare.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:39 PM
Joe38369
Special Forces (Ret) - I like your user name and if you did serve, I want to personaly thank you!!! It is because people like you that have served, to keep this country free, is the reason for people like Charlie who are allowed to voice their opinions. I hope Charlie realizes that! Again thank you for your service! And your user name rocks!
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:24 PM
Joe38369
I run a small business and my business is hurting more in the past 4 months than it was at the beginning of the year or last year. So, if the stimulus is working, why is my business on the books worse now than ever before??? Sorry by my software Quick Books does not lie and I see the reports and charts, my business is in the red now and making less money than ever. I had my largest cut backs two months ago. This is small family owned 2 man operation and in business for 17 years. Last year we were doing okay, but it had slowed, but we were able to make ends meet and keep afloat. About 3 to 4 months ago, we saw a drastic drop in services and this month is even worse. Sorry, I just do not see the stimulus working.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:17 PM
National Guard Mom
Stimulus has gone right into his pocket that is why it has worked
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:09 PM
stoptheinsanity
yah but only for "his" cronies
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:08 PM
Special Forces (Ret)
Charliedontsurf. You MUST love sensless comments. You ceratinly make enough of them!
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:48 PM
joeyblueyes
SPECIAL FORCES, THE TRICK IS NOT TO ENGAGE CHARLIE THE SMURF ER HE GETS OFF ON THAT, YOU KNOW HE 'S A DOLT, I KNOW HE IS A DOLT,99% OF THE BLOGGERS KNOW HE'S A DOLT, AND GUESS WHAT, CHARLIE KNOWS HE IS A DOLT, HE JUST CAN'T HELP HIMSELF.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:44 PM
killer
And you are an expert at picking out senseless comments because you hear so many of them on Fox News, right?
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:24 PM
CzarsRUs
Hey..I thought we were calling in Faux Noise. It's my favorite. How about you???
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:47 PM
mersey
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who sees no sense in what he says. Charile, it's Barack, not Barak
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:55 PM
CzarsRUs
I thought it was Borat too. Who said it wasn't???
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 04:56 PM
killer
Thanks for the correction, Mersey. Check out KJ's spelling of dumb below. Can you help him?
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:25 PM
KJ
I thought it was Borat?
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:08 PM
Wendy in FL
Charlie, earlier you blamed the Republicans for the economic mess. The truth is that the congressional democrats started the ball rolling on this economic collapse because they refused to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, despite the Republicans warning them a crisis was about to happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Blaming Bush is REALLY getting old. Please, let's be honest and real. We are all in this together. The only thing that matters is the truth... not angry opinions.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:47 PM
killer
Hi Wendy. Respectfully, you are wrong about the cause of the meltdown; you have heard that so much from Fox News that all of you now believe it. This economic mess was created mostly by the greed on Wall Street and the failure of the administration to regulate it. It was the free market without checks and balances, pretty much the way the conservatives have always wanted it. I AM being honest and real; and I'm suggesting to you that what many of you are doing is criticizing Barack (thanks for the spelling tip, Mersey) for trying to find his way through a mess that he and the democratic congress did not create. And, many of you are suggesting that the same things that got us in this mess (lower taxes, unregulated capitalism) is somehow going to get us out of it. It does not make sense to me and I can't understand why it makes sense to so many of you.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:22 PM
Ja
It does not make since to you because you are blinded by the light from the Halo of the Chosen One.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:47 PM
PBALABAMA
I am afraid is YOU who does not know what you're talking about, Charlie. In 2004, the Bush administration advised Congress, more specifically, Barney Frankfurter that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac needed to be looked at. (I'm putting it mildly). Look at the video of what Frank, Dodd and Reins all said, then tell me again what caused the meltdown.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:03 PM
Joe38369
Sorry Charlie you are wrong on this one and Wendy is correct and the NY times posted it back in 1999. A liberal paper. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-ai.... They were in fact the start of the crisis, of the mortgage failure. The Republicans did try to regulate it and Barney and them fought them on it. In fact Barney Frank only a couple weeks prior to the meltdown said quote "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack are fundamentally sound" unquote. Now, Bush administration did not help by spending either. So the Bush administration has their hands in this too. But you are blind and uninformed if you do not realize the Democrats forced the banks to give risky loans to people who could not afford them. This creates a domino effect. Foreclosures on people that could not afford homes, then from there, people who could afford the mortgages, no longer have home worth what they were and now they are in the red. Both Dems and Reps are too blame.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:56 PM
CzarsRUs
Charlie....when did the Democrats become the majority party in Congress???
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:52 PM
LyndaPA
You know what?! Irregardless of when IT started, this enormous economic downfall is happening on BO's watch.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:46 PM
KJ
Charlis knows this! What he says is just a dunb Liberal Defense Mechanism.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Jade
Sorry Charlie(don't surf)......after reading these posts if anyone is losing the argument--- THAT WOULD BE YOU!
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:44 PM
Jade
Sorry Charlie(don't surf)......after reading these posts if anyone is losing the argument--- THAT WOULD BE YOU!
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:44 PM
killer
And, your analysis should be respected for what reason?
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:23 PM
CzarsRUs
Because you don't surf.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:26 PM
Vietnam Veteran
He makes good sense and speaks the truth.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 02:45 PM
Black Knight
There may be truth to dumBO's statement. Since they have only spent about 10% of the money obligated and the rest due to release in 2010 before the election. I am sure its "intent" is to get Dems re-elected in 2010, why else would you hold back on so much of the money until 2010 when people need jobs NOW.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:44 PM
KJ
Ogsama needs a SUPER SPIN CZAR !
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:37 PM
Oldboy
It seems to be fun for Republicans to choose to ignore the fact that NO ONE claimed the stimulus would be in full effect at this time. And of course, it's easy to judge it negatively when more than half of the money hasn't even been spent yet. Considering that nearly every state in the country has budget problems, I'm sure the cops and teachers who still have jobs because of stimulus funds don't share your narrow-minded views.
So by all means, keep screaming! Use it for a little short-term obstructionism. When all the money has been spent, and the economy does recover, it should be just in time for the next round of congressional elections...
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:36 PM
LA_USMC
Oldboy, they say that wisdom comes with age. Obviously, that is not always the case. Nothing in the stimulus bill is designed for long term employment, especially in the private section. Most, if not all, of the new jobs are in the government and those in the states have limited funding which means if the local or state government do not have the necessary funding to continue this, these people will be jobless. It is all for show so that some simpletons will believe that it is working. Let the people keep their money and make the decision how to spend it. There are too many datapoints that show the government is not suited to do this.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 04:52 PM
CzarsRUs
Ouch!!!!! I think I just heard you say that money is being withheld that should be used for recovery ASAP for political gain by the ruling party. That is not very friendly.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 03:00 PM
Black Knight
Well this is one Independent that thought, since they rushed the bill thru without reading, that they would have spent more than 10% of the money. And according to the GOA, the money has been primarily used by states to reduce their own budgets and debt and not for new "shovel ready" jobs which was the intent we were told it was to be used for.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:51 PM
LA_USMC
Geez, it was intended to work in 18 months. What a coincidence that the economy is suppose to trun around in time for the 2010 elections. It will never happened that quickly. The libs. have been bad-mouthing the economy now for over 3 years and just his majesty announcing that it is working is not enough. The best stimulus is to let the people keep their money and make the decision on how to spend it themselves.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:33 PM
AngeV.
Ya know, when I look at how much money has already been spent, and it has not even been one year since BO took office, it's hard to imagine how much money will be spent in 4 years. As long as this insane spending continues, our economy will not recover much.
Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 01:41 PM
mersey
charlie don't surf, can you explain the 20% of people comment?
stoptheinsanity
thanks Joe, I hope that is all it is I have tried other times on other topics and they seem to really censor?
Navy(Retired) Oathkeeper
If destroying the country and the economy are the intent then it has worked great
jcoke09
I thoroughly agree.
Dakota Kid
Right On!!!!
AngeV.
Hey Charlie, you have the right to call my comment senseless. Just having a little fun. Honestly though, it is undeniable that BO's approval rating is consistently declining. This move of socialism is not going over well because in our hearts we will always be Americans and proud of it.
J Lepper U.S. Army Retired
It has worked according to his "intent". His "intent" is not to help the economy but to socialize into a world ruled under the United Nations......with his bretheren running the show.
steve.c.
This President really has no credibility with me, as unimportant as I am in the scheme of things, let me say, does he mean to say that he wanted to screw the economy up worse than it was when he took over? Get us to double digit unemployment? Hope by 2012 to get us back to about 7.5 to 8%, which was his worst forecast if he didn't get the stimulus? and then by 2012 be able to say he turned it arond? Then all we will have to do is pay off the trillion or so $ deficit!
CzarsRUs
Sorry for the misprint Steve. It was you are not unimportant in the scheme of things. Sorry.
CzarsRUs
You are unimportant in the scheme of things. You, and people like you, can start making the government work for you...not you working for the government.
Special Forces (Ret)
Charlie, You're a typical Lib. The first thing you do is attack my user name to somehow discredit or demean me. There are others on the board with similar user names. Why have they escaped being skewered by your rapier wit? Your thoughts will have to stand on their own because they have very little to support them.
Vietnam Veteran
Special Forces - Charlie has attacked my name as well. I find it hard to believe he was in the military as he says. I don't know of anyone who has served his/her country that has so little respect for the military.
Special Forces (Ret)
He really doth protest too much, doesn't he. Makes one wonder about him and his "Liberal friends who served".
Normally, anyone who has spent any appreciative time in the military is not inclined to get their education from reading Democrat bumper stickers.
killer
Hi Special:
See response below to Wendy. Then get back to me. And, the comment on your username was not an attack. It just strikes me as odd that so many on this site cite their military credentials. I served proudly, many of my "liberal" friends served proudly, and we don't view many of the conservatives as especially patriotic. After all, it was the conservatives that tried to vote down the recent expanded GI bill because they were afraid it would give soldiers a reason to leave the service. That is not patriotic, it is not supporting our military, and I don't understand why so many of you fail to see it.
RogerM
I'd like to know how "proudly" you served actually. Did you get your bonus and then get out, or just get your college fund and get out? Doing time in the military just for a benefit is not "serving proudly". Did you retire charlie? Did you serve your country until by regulation you couldn't serve anymore? Or did you get out once you realized that you couldn't hack it and you had gotten all you could for yourself?
Joe38369
Read for yourself Charlie - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/25/1999-ny-times-artic...
And here is the 1999 article from the NY times a liberal, left leaning paper. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-ai...
CzarsRUs
We were too busy watching the government figure out how to tax service personnel healthcare.
Joe38369
Special Forces (Ret) - I like your user name and if you did serve, I want to personaly thank you!!! It is because people like you that have served, to keep this country free, is the reason for people like Charlie who are allowed to voice their opinions. I hope Charlie realizes that! Again thank you for your service! And your user name rocks!
Joe38369
I run a small business and my business is hurting more in the past 4 months than it was at the beginning of the year or last year. So, if the stimulus is working, why is my business on the books worse now than ever before??? Sorry by my software Quick Books does not lie and I see the reports and charts, my business is in the red now and making less money than ever. I had my largest cut backs two months ago. This is small family owned 2 man operation and in business for 17 years. Last year we were doing okay, but it had slowed, but we were able to make ends meet and keep afloat. About 3 to 4 months ago, we saw a drastic drop in services and this month is even worse. Sorry, I just do not see the stimulus working.
National Guard Mom
Stimulus has gone right into his pocket that is why it has worked
stoptheinsanity
yah but only for "his" cronies
Special Forces (Ret)
Charliedontsurf. You MUST love sensless comments. You ceratinly make enough of them!
joeyblueyes
SPECIAL FORCES, THE TRICK IS NOT TO ENGAGE CHARLIE THE SMURF ER HE GETS OFF ON THAT, YOU KNOW HE 'S A DOLT, I KNOW HE IS A DOLT,99% OF THE BLOGGERS KNOW HE'S A DOLT, AND GUESS WHAT, CHARLIE KNOWS HE IS A DOLT, HE JUST CAN'T HELP HIMSELF.
killer
And you are an expert at picking out senseless comments because you hear so many of them on Fox News, right?
CzarsRUs
Hey..I thought we were calling in Faux Noise. It's my favorite. How about you???
mersey
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who sees no sense in what he says. Charile, it's Barack, not Barak
CzarsRUs
I thought it was Borat too. Who said it wasn't???
killer
Thanks for the correction, Mersey. Check out KJ's spelling of dumb below. Can you help him?
KJ
I thought it was Borat?
Wendy in FL
Charlie, earlier you blamed the Republicans for the economic mess. The truth is that the congressional democrats started the ball rolling on this economic collapse because they refused to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, despite the Republicans warning them a crisis was about to happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Blaming Bush is REALLY getting old. Please, let's be honest and real. We are all in this together. The only thing that matters is the truth... not angry opinions.
killer
Hi Wendy. Respectfully, you are wrong about the cause of the meltdown; you have heard that so much from Fox News that all of you now believe it. This economic mess was created mostly by the greed on Wall Street and the failure of the administration to regulate it. It was the free market without checks and balances, pretty much the way the conservatives have always wanted it. I AM being honest and real; and I'm suggesting to you that what many of you are doing is criticizing Barack (thanks for the spelling tip, Mersey) for trying to find his way through a mess that he and the democratic congress did not create. And, many of you are suggesting that the same things that got us in this mess (lower taxes, unregulated capitalism) is somehow going to get us out of it. It does not make sense to me and I can't understand why it makes sense to so many of you.
Ja
It does not make since to you because you are blinded by the light from the Halo of the Chosen One.
PBALABAMA
I am afraid is YOU who does not know what you're talking about, Charlie. In 2004, the Bush administration advised Congress, more specifically, Barney Frankfurter that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac needed to be looked at. (I'm putting it mildly). Look at the video of what Frank, Dodd and Reins all said, then tell me again what caused the meltdown.
Joe38369
Sorry Charlie you are wrong on this one and Wendy is correct and the NY times posted it back in 1999. A liberal paper. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-ai.... They were in fact the start of the crisis, of the mortgage failure. The Republicans did try to regulate it and Barney and them fought them on it. In fact Barney Frank only a couple weeks prior to the meltdown said quote "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack are fundamentally sound" unquote. Now, Bush administration did not help by spending either. So the Bush administration has their hands in this too. But you are blind and uninformed if you do not realize the Democrats forced the banks to give risky loans to people who could not afford them. This creates a domino effect. Foreclosures on people that could not afford homes, then from there, people who could afford the mortgages, no longer have home worth what they were and now they are in the red. Both Dems and Reps are too blame.
CzarsRUs
Charlie....when did the Democrats become the majority party in Congress???
LyndaPA
You know what?! Irregardless of when IT started, this enormous economic downfall is happening on BO's watch.
KJ
Charlis knows this! What he says is just a dunb Liberal Defense Mechanism.
Jade
Sorry Charlie(don't surf)......after reading these posts if anyone is losing the argument--- THAT WOULD BE YOU!
Jade
Sorry Charlie(don't surf)......after reading these posts if anyone is losing the argument--- THAT WOULD BE YOU!
killer
And, your analysis should be respected for what reason?
CzarsRUs
Because you don't surf.
Vietnam Veteran
He makes good sense and speaks the truth.
Black Knight
There may be truth to dumBO's statement. Since they have only spent about 10% of the money obligated and the rest due to release in 2010 before the election. I am sure its "intent" is to get Dems re-elected in 2010, why else would you hold back on so much of the money until 2010 when people need jobs NOW.
KJ
Ogsama needs a SUPER SPIN CZAR !
Oldboy
It seems to be fun for Republicans to choose to ignore the fact that NO ONE claimed the stimulus would be in full effect at this time. And of course, it's easy to judge it negatively when more than half of the money hasn't even been spent yet. Considering that nearly every state in the country has budget problems, I'm sure the cops and teachers who still have jobs because of stimulus funds don't share your narrow-minded views.
So by all means, keep screaming! Use it for a little short-term obstructionism. When all the money has been spent, and the economy does recover, it should be just in time for the next round of congressional elections...
LA_USMC
Oldboy, they say that wisdom comes with age. Obviously, that is not always the case. Nothing in the stimulus bill is designed for long term employment, especially in the private section. Most, if not all, of the new jobs are in the government and those in the states have limited funding which means if the local or state government do not have the necessary funding to continue this, these people will be jobless. It is all for show so that some simpletons will believe that it is working. Let the people keep their money and make the decision how to spend it. There are too many datapoints that show the government is not suited to do this.
CzarsRUs
Ouch!!!!! I think I just heard you say that money is being withheld that should be used for recovery ASAP for political gain by the ruling party. That is not very friendly.
Black Knight
Well this is one Independent that thought, since they rushed the bill thru without reading, that they would have spent more than 10% of the money. And according to the GOA, the money has been primarily used by states to reduce their own budgets and debt and not for new "shovel ready" jobs which was the intent we were told it was to be used for.
LA_USMC
Geez, it was intended to work in 18 months. What a coincidence that the economy is suppose to trun around in time for the 2010 elections. It will never happened that quickly. The libs. have been bad-mouthing the economy now for over 3 years and just his majesty announcing that it is working is not enough. The best stimulus is to let the people keep their money and make the decision on how to spend it themselves.
AngeV.
Ya know, when I look at how much money has already been spent, and it has not even been one year since BO took office, it's hard to imagine how much money will be spent in 4 years. As long as this insane spending continues, our economy will not recover much.
mersey
charlie don't surf, can you explain the 20% of people comment?