FOX Nation Victory! Obama's Drive for Climate Change Bill Delayed!
President Barack Obama's push for quick action by Congress on climate change legislation suffered a setback on Thursday when the U.S. Senate committee leading the drive delayed work on the bill until September. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer said her self-imposed deadline of early August for finishing writing a bill to combat global warming has been put off until after Congress returns from a recess that ends in early September.
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grandmother
........"nobody's right...if everybody's wrong".......
Robinsright
The left HAS to blame everything on man. They don't believe in God.
KJ
Amen!
Anti-Libtard
What is the liberal excuse for the current global cooling trend?
KJK
I've already answered this, and it's not a liberal excuse, it's the explanation provided by climate scientists (that's part of your problem: you're confusing politics and science). But here it is again:
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Do a mental experiment. Picture a graph of temperatures over the last, say, 100 years, without global warming. The numbers don't matter, just picture its wavy appearance as we go through natural periods of relatively warmer and cooler weather. Now take the graph and make all the bars a little bit taller. That's global warming. It's still wavy, isn't it?
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In other words, there will always be periods of general warming and cooling. It will just be a little warmer or a little less cool than it would have been.
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There's a second part of this explanation that has to do with signal (climate) vs. noise (weather) that I can go into if needed.
KJK
Well, considering that you still don't appear to understand what I was saying, and that you consistently misrepresent my points, and that you ask here questions that I already answered ("Why do CO2 increases follow temperature increases?"), I'm not sure that you've "gathered" much of anything.
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I'm happy for you that you managed to find a scientist on your side, even one whose speciality is biophysics and not climate science. Never mind that for every scientist who agrees with you, there are ten or so who don't. But when I see someone who ignores the views of 90% of climate scientists while touting as unimpeachable truth the views of the remaining 10%, I have to think that there is something at work other than science.
Anti-Libtard
So from this conversation I gathered from you that... global warming and cooling is natural, and that there is no evidence that man-made CO2 has an impact on temperatures. The mind game is not evidence. And the number I previously stated (0.117%) was not produced by a coal mining engineer, is was reposted by him. Try Dr. Gregory Young, neuroscientist and physicist, a doctoral graduate of the University of Oxford, Oxford, England. Additionally why has the temperture increased proportionately with CO2 increase? Why do CO2 increases follow temperature increases? As the earth warms from natural cycles, ice melts, oceans rise, and atmospheric CO2 increases as CO2 resolves from ocean water. Because ocean temperatures are also increasing during interglacials, CO2 trajectory follows temp. CO2 is not the cause, it is simply another effect of warming because cold water dissolves more gas than warm. Folks fail to mention that sea ice has increased. The earth for 500 million years has had CO2 levels as high as 7000 PPM (when life began), the current levels are 380 PPM, but the temp has not risen over 22 degrees C, it's currently around 12. That show no direct correlation between temp and CO2. How did life on earth survive that?
KJK
The below is from me, not from dk. I was using someone else's system and forgot to change the login.
dk
Never mind. You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. It's a concept that you just don't seem to be getting. The actual numbers don't make any difference at all. It's like using X and Y in an equation like Y = X + 1. The value of X makes no difference. Y is one more than X no matter what X is. If you truly do not understand why temperatures will continue to go up and down in the face of AGW, there's nothing more I can say other than to suggest that you read some science written by scientists and avoid blog posts by coal mining engineers as your source of research on climate.
Anti-Libtard
And can you provide some data that shows what the actual temperature would be with the absence of man-made CO2
Anti-Libtard
so you're saying the natural process of warming and cooling that last for hundreds of years is ilrelevant? Only the warming for the past hundred years is relevant? that doesn't make sense. if the previous warming period lasted for 500 years, and last last cooling period lasted for 300 years, then it may be logical to conclude that your 100 year graph may not be enough data to conclude anything and is looking very similar to the beginning of the prior warming period, just 400 years shorter. I don't disagree that the temperature is rising. I dispute the thought that this is something new, and dispute the theory that it's caused by man. There is no scientific fact that it is due to CO2, no scientific fact that it is due to man made CO2, and no scientific fact that it is due to anything other than natural phenomena
KJK
See, this is why I don't think you're really trying to follow the logic of what I'm saying. I specifically said, "Picture a graph of temperatures over the last, say, 100 years" and then you ask what kind of graph and start talking about the Medieval warm period and the Little Ice Age and variances in insolation. None of that is relevant to what I'm saying. It doesn't matter what graph you use. This is just a mind experiment to show why there will be relatively cool periods even if AGW exists. Just picture a graph of annual temperatures. It goes up and down. Now add AGW: make all the bars a little bit taller. It STILL goes up and down. It doesn't change the up-and-down nature of the graph in the slightest. There are still warmer periods and cooler periods. This is the basic answer your question about the explanation for the current "cooling trend". It's a natural cooling; it's just a little bit warmer than it would have been without AGW. It will be followed sooner or later by a natural warming, and again it will be just a little warmer than it would have been. Then there will be another cooling period. Get it?
Anti-Libtard
solar activity also corresponds with your wavy line. That was just looking at wavy lines for the past 1000 years. If we look at wavy lines for the, say past 500,000 years, they are still wavy as they go up really high, and as they dip down really low. Again still showing a natural pattern of very high temperatures and very low temperatures. The Earth has been warmer than it is now. Comparing the CO2 levels during these warm times of history, today's CO2 levels are higher, but the temperature isn't following in the same ratio
Anti-Libtard
what kind of graph are you referring to? Th rise in tempurature during the Medieval Warm period was wavy on the way up too. That lasted for 500 years. Then just after that it was wavy on the way down during the little Ice Age. That lasted 300 years. After around 1850 it started going back up, again a wavy line. Wow that's weird we came out of the Little Ice Age and returned to average tempuratures around the time you folks claim global warming started due to human industry. You think maybe it was just a natural cycle. The natural warming of the Earth probably contributed to man creating industry. We are biologically more productive during warmer weather. Where's my Nobel Prize?
KJK
"So what your saying is the weather changes." Well, weather does change, but that isn't what I said.
KJK
"so cooling=natural and warming=manmade": I have no idea how you came to this conclusion. It's certainly not what I said. Did you even try to follow the logic? AGW rides on top of natural warming and cooling cycles. The averages are just a little bit higher than they would have been, so they will still go up and down in cycles just like they always have. NOTHING in climate science says that they won't.
KJ
You're wavy. I suggest that you straighten yourself out!
GOREbal Warming is like a Congressional Bill. Democrats vote YES but they DON'T READ IT!
Anti-Libtard
so cooling=natural and warming=manmade
jrpftx
So what your saying is the weather changes.
Conservative WARRIOR
Climate HOAX, ....... Al Gore is no different than "MADOFF" ........
billions of US dollars have been STOLEN from the USA Economy!!
Ted
Oh shucks Barry, I was hoping the global warming thing was real. We were all hoping to have alonger boating season here in New Hampshire.
Anti-Libtard
you are always referring to the same source. Are you an advertiser?
dk
What same source are you talking about? (No, I'm not an advertiser.)
KJK
It happens to be the "cooling" article from the 70s that I have a shortcut URL for. The others were all pretty similar.
Anti-Libtard
The 1 Time magazine article ( I was referring to your rebuttle of the cooling prediction in the 70's). I don't know why it posted as a new comment
Anti-Libtard
that was for you KJK
katt
Is there global warming??? There probably was for a few yrs. Man made??? NO. Now it seems the eart is cooling just a little. Man made NO. The earth will do what it will do and all the tax money in the world will not change its mind...
Anti-Libtard
How much are the printing presses at the Fed are provding to global warming?
Whiteknight
What happened to the Ice Age that was comming in the 70s and 80s? How about the Hole in the Ozone? Guess these other scams didn't work, and NOW its starting to cool off again! They had better hurry if they want to take credit for it!!
They have been trying to shut down America for decades and Global Warming may just do the trick!! Keep up the good work, BO.
Anti-Libtard
They also predicted in the 70's that in 25 years that SF would be underwater, the polar ice cap would be gone, and that there would be drastic geological changes due to global warming. Yawn. Still waiting for it. A little overdue are we? Are we not sick of these doomsdayers yet? None of it will matter anyway because the world is going to end in 2012, right? lol
KJK
I'm getting tired of retyping the reply to this myth, so I'm going to cheat and do a copy&paste from my last one:
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This is the myth that just won't die. Go read some of that stuff from the 70s (here's an example: http://tinyurl.com/2toxfa). They were trying to explain an OBSERVED cooling, not predicting cooling. It's not the same thing. The whole article is about "IF this continues...". No one in there says that it WILL continue. Even in the 70s, most climate scientists predicted warming, not cooling.
KJK
It's pretty easy to simply claim that something is nonsense without backing it up. I provided a link to one of the articles people always refer to when they claim that scientists were predicting an ice age. Did you read it? Did you find any predictions? Do you have some evidence that I'm wrong and that a significant portion of climate scientists WERE predicting an ice age in the 70s? I'd like to see such evidence, because no one else has been able to find it. If you have any facts, can we hear them?
KJ
What in the world is your motivation in spewing this Mickey Mouse nonsense. Are you illumanati!
m@
Sheez... these posts take forever to get cleared...
m@
Oh sure, post this one and not the other one that was perfectly non-offensive.
joeyblueyes
there will be climate change, and a cold day in hell wen erkle wins another election, oh I forgot about the nuts in acorn
Howard Beale
how is this a FOX victory? The only people who pay attention to this site are a - basement dwelling, beer swilling, Big Mac guzzling sociopaths b - people (like myself) who make jest and point out the obvious flaws of the aforementioned.
Domino
What flavor Kool-Aid do you prefer? You want to see some real basement dwelling dweebs go to the Daily Kos or Huffington Post.
Stop obama
He's just tired of being tea bagged
Excalibur
Isn't it past your bedime? Mommy has some nice cookies and milk for you. And, if your're real quiet, she will read a story to you. Maybe, from The Bible, but only if you're real good!
PATRIOT UPRISING
Ex Pat left the country, came back to tell us what it's all about. He's usually left of right and that makes him wrong. But for some, and maybe him, it's possible they travel in circles, usually leftist circles. In these circles they find little squares. These squares have names. They range from "boxes of rocks", "little toy soldiers" and "fairy tales". So please forgive him for he knows not what he says.
Conservative WARRIOR
Climate HOAX, ....... GORE is "MADOFF" ........
billions of US dollars have been STOLEN from the USA Economy!!
All TRAITORS, porposterous Scheme, ........USA demands prosecution.........
Excalibur
Calm down, I'm comming!
leumasdog
I often wonder why the current democrat party wishes for the current population of the United States, to starve, loose all their posessions, savings, homes, jobs, security, and life. I know the'll balme someone else as they always do..... but just why do they get off doing it in the first place?
Domino
It's called creating a base. They do all this and then blame someone else then promise the sheeple a better tomorrow and they believe them. Look at the average Democrat/Liberal voter. DUMB as a box of rocks. Hell, look at the average Democrat/Liberal Senator or Congressman. Very very dumb. They call everyone else stupid to take the focus off of them.
leumasdog
I think it's the old playground bully thing. They love to see anguish, torment, starvation. failure, pain and hoplessness, and know they did it. I think it's a POWER thing for people that as children stuck toothpicks in kitty's eyes , and beat Fido with a baseball bat. All grown up now and a democrat.
CzarsRUs
To make as many people dependent upon the Federal Government as possible. Because
leumasdog
China is starting to look good as a new home.
CzarsRUs
yes....they are actually trying to become a thriving capitalist economy, because they know from experience that communism never works. That's why they won't sign the climate bill and never will. They are not stupid.
leumasdog
You can actually buy land there.