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Joe
I'm with Sandra. I'm done with these fools at FoxNews. They are merely the lesser of many evils. Maybe if their ratings that O'Reilly loves to puff him up so much with start to drop, they'll get the message to do some ACTUAL investigative reporting on this issue which is central to and propping up all of the marxist's other disastrous decisions. I'll get my news somewhere else on the web
Terminix
I think DUTCH blow gasket, can now see him flopping around on floor like "RAID SPRAYED ROACH" spray is stronger than thought..... should have read MSDS,
I guess.
Joe
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Explains a great deal of the controversy minus the Indonesian connection.
I hope Baghdad Bob Gibbs gets a prison bunk right next to his bosss
OG
I believe that any candidate for any office should show their birth certificate at the time they register to run for office. Not after the fact. If we as American citizens have to show ID to vote, ID or other pieces of verification to get a driver's license then why would our politicians not have to show their birth certificates. This is not old news until it has been proven and over with. Does he have something to hide? If not, why has it taken so long to produce a birth certificate or what ever is issued by his birth state. Seems simple enough to me if you want to show people you are not hiding anything.
John
Dutch, that COLB that you are so proud of is a fake, fraud, and had been proven to be just that, just like the USURPER sitting in the whitehouse, its only a matter of time before the cuff's go on and this national nightmare is over.
Dutch
So why has the State of Hawaii stood by it? Why haven't the republican Governor and the Republican Attorney General prosecuted him fro violation of Hawaiian laws. I assume you know that it is against the law in Hawaii to fake a certified birth certificate. You do realize this, don't you? WHY?
Terminix
Sprayed at http://www.factcheck.org, last week...Info post there means spray is working...YAAAAA
laffinatu
Thanks Terminix , I see you sprayed at DUTCH and MrDNA also..their comments would indicate it is working there also.
Keep up the good work!
Patriotic Broker
From www.usconstitution.net
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
RamJet767
PB,
A "citizen of the USA at birth" is NOT a "natural born citizen of the USA at birth". Title 8 Section 1401 grants citizenship at birth, not natural born citizenship (NBC). NBC status can only be obtained by the facts of nature at birth, not a law. See the essays about Natural Born Citizenship at:
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
Judy
Mw_wv...you are wrong about this being a far-right issue. In fact, I know a lot of democrats who have been involved in petitioning this issue as well. The law is the law and the constitution is the constitution. However, there will always be those who disrespect the law and the constitution, but it still doesn't change the law from being the law and the constitution from being the constitution with constitutional requirements to set apart a nation with rules versus one run by chaos as we are currently seeing in our nation. All the rules have flown out the window. From what I've read communists who are trying to overtake a nation use the very act of causing chaos and confusion to try to take over a government.
RamJet767
Dutch,
Wrong oh you dutch master of spin! You can deceive some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Go smoke a cigar and blow smoke somewhere else.
A "citizen of the USA at birth" is NOT a "natural born citizen of the USA at birth". Title 8 Section 1401 grants citizenship at birth, not natural born citizenship (NBC). NBC status can only be obtained by the facts of nature at birth, not a law. See the essays about Natural Born Citizenship at:
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
wolfman
It is NOT old news. He should cough up. Who knows, it might even help his credibility, or what little he has!
J. Mezo
MrDNA, Doesn't it strike you as strange that the certification stamp in 2007 isn't visible in any full picture photos. I have an open mind but your so called proof begs questions. And what about the reported differences colors of borders in different years. Got anything there?
Terminix
MrDNA be little "boring, tunneling. tube worm"...... I come fix problem.
RamJet767
Dutch,
You are wrong and spreading incorrect information, probably deliberately. The Wong Kim Ark supreme court case in 1898 did not declare him a "natural born citizen" but declared him simply a Citizen of the USA. Birth in the USA per the 14th Amendment and the Wong Kim Ark decision gets one ordinary U.S. Citizenship, not Natural Born Citizenship. Natural Born Citizenship in a country is conveyed by the facts of nature at birth and not by any law or statue. Per Vattel and Bacon if you are born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country you are a Natural Born Citizen of that country since at birth you have no allegiance or claims to or by any other country. See this simple chart which describes the 5 types of citizenship mentioned in the U.S. Constitution and the legal references defining such:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
Scott
"The COLB is perfectly valid proof in the eyes of the law."
Not when it has been proven a fraud by an expert!
See Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pveB3uA8go4&feature=related
christinek
OK, Look at what our founding fathers said about Duel Allegience. FOUNDING FATHERS TRUMP JUSTICE GRAY!
RamJet767
Dutch,
You have never even read the Constitution. The 18th amendment has nothing to do with citizenship in the USA.
You are also wrong about the Wong Kim Ark case.
You are wrong and spreading incorrect information, probably deliberately. The Wong Kim Ark supreme court case in 1898 did not declare him a "natural born citizen" but declared him simply a Citizen of the USA. Birth in the USA per the 14th Amendment and the Wong Kim Ark decision gets one ordinary U.S. Citizenship, not Natural Born Citizenship. Natural Born Citizenship in a country is conveyed by the facts of nature at birth and not by any law or statue. Per Vattel and Bacon if you are born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country you are a Natural Born Citizen since at birth you have no allegiance or claims to or by any other country. See this simple chart which describes the 5 types of citizenship mentioned in the U.S. Constitution and the legal references defining such:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
btw
This is Reply on the post by Dutch:
I just checked http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxviii.html
No such a statement in 18 Amendment.
Truth in Action
Dutch, keep on showing your ignorance. Nowhere in "United States v. Wong Kim Ark" is the term "Natural Born Citizen" used. Only "born citizen" and "native-born citizen". There is a huge difference. Native-born applies to where a child is born. Natural born applies to who a child is born to. But thanks for pushing the post count up!
Ange V.
Then it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a VALID birth certificate! We're waiting....
super dave
Dutch yes we are whacked out and that is what makes us extra fun to be around.anyone want a nut cake hey how about you dutch you like nut cakes.no wait your a sheep you keep following the people that lie to you too get your vote remember change what change we will let you pay the higher taxes that are coming.
Terminix
DUTCH be little "boring, tunneling. tube worm"...... I come fix problem.
Charlene
Another weird example that causes me to question his transparency.......
The adress that was used on the Birth Announcement belongs to a woman who has lived and still does live there. She also has stated that she remembers NO white woman with a black child anywhere on the street!
There are so many questions, yet no proof either way. If it were me I would certainly do all I could to show the people that have entrusted me inly do all and EVERYTHING to prove the *birther loons* wrong. He hasn't and in my opinion it is too late. He needs to go! BIden, Pelosi and all involved in this horrible scam need to go too!
Audited
I sent a certified copy of my birth certificate to the White House, just so they could see what one looks like. I even sent a blank form to order a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii. I was just trying to help.
Alice
Correction, media are beginning to mention it and this will snowball-- with the amount of discontent against obummer the pressure is mounting to get the BC out now.
LeClaire
Sad when Billboards work better than the Media.
Show us the Long Form if its no Problem
Your right on Karen, it is not old news if the question has not been answered. Where's the transparency, is there a concern that we will find something out? Why all the lawyers to block access?
Matt H.
Dutch...What does COLB stand for? Certificate Of Live Birth not Certification Of Live Birth. Really are you that brain dead?
Nick
I want to see this story on Judge Andrew Napolitano's weekly internet show "Freedom Watch." It's the best show on Fox News.
christinek
It's not the BC fool.....that's the whole point!!!!
JP
EXCELLENT PAUL:
It might help, for those not familiar with Alinsky, to explain a little.
PAUL FROM BURBANK CA
Wake Up People!!! Every time this issue of his bon a fides comes up with the left they Alinsky it. freeze it, attack them as weirdoes. But if he is spending real money to hide his records, well then, he has something to hide. PLEASE!! Fox check this out and you'll see the fire and feel the heat from the white house...
Drama-mama
MrDNA, you sound like a jerk. What is wrong with you? Just like the left, if someone doesn't agree with YOUR views we are babies and losers. Well, we aren't losers, we just want to be sure YOUR president is who he says he is. Why is that so difficult? I am sure that if he had NOTHING to hide he would produce it. MrDNA sounds like someone from the left. They don't know how to use big words or tell the truth. Just like the whining children they are!
Drama-mama
MrDNA, you sound like a jerk. What is wrong with you? Just like the left, if someone doesn't agree with YOUR views we are babies and losers. Well, we aren't losers, we just want to be sure YOUR president is who he says he is. Why is that so difficult? I am sure that if he had NOTHING to hide he would produce it. MrDNA sounds like someone from the left. They don't know how to use big words or tell the truth. Just like the whining children they are!
MacGruff
This birth certificate discrepancy is a valid issue and must be resolved. Some have called the challenge a conspiracy. It seems to me that the conspiracy is among those hiding the proof of his natural-born citizenship (or lack thereof). The Supreme Court has, so far, refused to hear any challenges. I can only think of one good reason-- having to make Joe Biden president. That scares me, too.
PAtriot
Well your wrong there, The election becomes invalid . A special election will be the decider. Per the constituion
LL
It seems to me like the chief executive officer of the land, that is the guy who is required to execute the laws passed by Congress, ought to lead the way in complying with the law. I think that has something to do with example, integrity, and oh yeah, the rule of law, and equality before the law. No Kings above the law in this country, right?
super dave
I agree with LL the people that are too uphold the law of this land need too do their jobs.
Fox quit be skeerd and do your job as you are suppose to be doing.REPORT THE NEWS what is it the 4 or 5 W's
get with it.
John M
How did he get a passport?
When I applied for my US passport I provided a certificate of live birth and was turned down. I had to go back and get the long form birth certificate to obtain my passport. I find it incredible that the POTUS does not need to release or provide his long form birth certificate to prove he is a natural born citizen. It costs $20 . What is he hiding?
AAAAANDRE
He used his Indonesian passport, then as a congress "person", he gets a "free pass" diplomatic passport.
John M
Are you saying POTUS never had a US Passport?
btw
He had TWO jurisdictions at birth and according Constitution couldn't be Natural Born Citizen. See my post here of May 28, 2009 at 08:38PM and Reply on it.
Moderators! This is the pure although inconvenient truth. Please publish it (with your objections - if any).
Dutch
The laws of a foreign country have no bearing on our own.
american voter
Like I said, it doesn't matter where he was born because his mother was an American citizen. Many babies are born overseas to American citizens....and they are just as much a citizen as if they were bornon American soil.
christink
So if you are right then why lie all these years? He would have been lying even before he ran for the Senate. What difference would it make in Chicago all those years ago?
drama-mama
Ok I agree, then why can't I see his birth certificate? What is he hiding? What is the big deal? He is covering something is why!
Dutch
If you were born on American soil, then you are a natural born citizen, no matter who your parents are. This has been established by SCOTUS since 1898.
dunchaka
You either forget, don't know, or refuse to acknowledge that his mother was too young to confer citizenship under the law at that time.