Senate Health Care Bill Moves Forward to Floor Debate
WASHINGTON -- Sweeping health care legislation has cleared its first hurdle in the Senate on a party-line vote.
The 60-39 vote clears the way for a historic debate after Thanksgiving on the legislation. The measure is designed to extend coverage to an estimated 31 million Americans who lack it and crack down on insurance industry practices that deny benefits.
The rare Saturday session amounted to a first round in the fight to pass the bill in the full Senate, with the remaining Democratic holdouts announcing they would support at least the measure to open debate on the bill, avoiding an early knockout by Republicans. Read more here.
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SPIN METER: Legislation inflation grips GOP
WASHINGTON AP Tue Nov 24, 6:25 am ET -- Republicans love to get their hands on the Democrats' health care legislation. They show it to the cameras at every opportunity, even piling one version on top of another to make a big pile look even bigger.
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Although they complain they don't have time to read all of it, they found the time to tape it together, page by page, so they could roll it up the steps of the Capitol like super-sized toilet paper and show how very long it is.
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It surely is long. But, no, not longer than "War and Peace," as they claim.
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No one really expects brevity when reinventing something as complex and huge as the nation's health insurance system, which accounts for one-sixth of the economy. Indeed, legislation of comparable size was used to redefine an area of much more limited federal responsibility, education. That was the No Child Left Behind Act from the agenda of Republican President George W. Bush.
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Size only matters in the health care debate because Republicans have turned the length of the legislation into a symbol: Big, unwieldy bill means big, overreaching government. Even bigger when you display double-spaced copies with double-wide margins and large print.
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Captain Obvious said:
Congress couldn't care less that they are spending so haphazardly and irresponsibly. They go in there to "win." They never stop to think about the consequences to US. Afterall, they aren't spending their OWN money, thyey are spending OURS. They DISGUST ME
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Certain spending is not only necessary but inevitable as we are fighting two wars and dealing with the worst economic crisis since the great depression. People often ignore the fact that we are still spending $200 million each day for Iraq... Over the past 10 months, the national debt rose from $10.62 trillion to $11.99 trillion, i.e., a net increase of $1.37 trillion. The net increase is sum of (all numbers are rounded to 1 decimal place):
1) $0.7 trillion Bush stimulus bill
2) $0.4 trillion interest expense on the $10.6 T national debt
3) $0.1 trillion Obama spending deficit
fed up with them all
I pray to the good lord that the good people in Nevada, make Harry Reid, one of the first to go in this next election.
Sharon
Best Buy wishes Muslims a "Happy eid al adha" in this weeks flyer but no "Happy Thanksgiving for the rest of us!
stoptheinsanity
and We The People will move to the polls and vote this lunacy out in 10 and 12 and these life-long politicians can get a BIG dose of real America
Delores CH WV
The fix is in and there is no debate in this corrupt house! Americans are tired of this political game. In 2010, 2012, and 2014......the wheat will be removed from the chaft.......We will not put up with buying votes for bills with American taxpayer money! This shameful game is going to end!
Shannon in Texas
We the People DARE you to continue on with your Crusade to ruin this Country. Fly Over America is gonna crush you.
Traditional Values
Hey Fox, having to wait 20 minutes per post is ridiculous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm out of here , Can't debate on a dysfunctional web site !!!!!!!!!!!
A Very Proud American
Tex58... You are absolutely without a doubt correct! The election of Obama was like a plague that hit America... All the left wing liberals have been seething and planning this turmoil for decades! They have infiltrated our schools, colleges and universities with uncontrolled liberalism, atheism and left wing politics! Religion and humanity means nothing only their outrageous destructive political agendas for absolute control... Socialism, Communism and Marxism! GOD BLESS AMERICA and WE THE PEOPLE who will stand strong to put AMERICA back on track! Only people with their heads in the sand or up their own behinds... fail to see what has taken place since the vote for "hope and change" came. In just under a year... the devastation in the loss of jobs, businesses and AMERICAN values... has been damaged... but not totally lost. Everyday, the Old and Young alike are seeing the writing on the wall and MOST, if not ALL who voted for this administration, have been impacted by the lies and treachery they have done and are trying still to create with the Health Care agenda! AMERICA is a Republic, OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!!!!!! Obama has been and is nothing but a DISGRACE to AMERICA!!!! I wish that all who can and do think clearly a Happy and Healthy Thanksgiving! My prayers and thoughts are with OUR TROOPS and their families, the Families of the 9/11 Victims and with all who have lost their jobs because of the insanity in Washington,DC. GOD BLESS USA!
Traditional Values
Hey Pilgrim, Yes the wars cost, But, Did you forget what 9/11 cost the government ?? How about Katrina ? Go back and count the number of catastrophes from fires to hurricanes happened during the Bush years.
Roland
nipigon1 said
Why do people think that single payer system is so bad?
I grew up in Canada and I had no problem and my mother was diagnosed with Merkel Cell Carcinoma about four years ago. She was one of eight Canadians with that disease. She has no sign of any type of cancer now.
The cost of treatment? Zero dollars.
How much would that cost an American?
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# 1 - you said your wife is a doctor, right? now you live in the USA, does you wife practice medicine here or in Cananda and why? Does your wife work for free?
# 2 - your mothers treatment wasn't free and if your were an educated person you would know that.
tex58
I think we have a trouble to communicate with Washington. They don't understand the word NO. Since the liberals took power in Washington they have set out to stop Christmas or any religion on holidays and every American thing this country was founded on. Now they want to push some government run health care off on the people and double our taxes to pay for their bill. They even threaten us with prison if we don't buy their plan. I think it is time to impeach every liberal or any one that even sides with the liberals on any part of the government that is over throwing our country and constitution. The liberals has a mind set that they don't have to listen to the people but if they are arrested and removed from Washington and locked up they will listen then. They need to start with Obama and Pelosi and Reid and arrest them first then after the others.We also need to make sure the terrorist are tried in military court and not in NYC court. Until we get them removed from office we the people can go on as usual and ignore the liberals and refuse anything they say.
Eradicate Conservatives
Am I missing something here? Wasn't it the Iraq War and tax cuts that ballooned the deficit?
Dale Jeu
You sure are a pilgrim, aren't ya, boy?
JumpStart
You're an idiot. Lowering taxes always increases the money coming into the government. Besides, Obama's wreckless spending has tripled the deficit...are you still going to be blaming Bush next year too?
Ms Kentucky
These so called moderate democrats and republicans turn my stomach. If they are against this or that in the government takeover of our healthcare, WHY DID THEY VOTE TO PASS THIS LEGISLATION FOR DEBATE? DO NOT TRUST THEM, GET THEM OUT OF OFFICE IN 2010 AND 2012. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR FREEDOMS!
Captain Obvious
Congress couldn't care less that they are spending so haphazardly and irresponsibly. They go in there to "win." They never stop to think about the consequences to US. Afterall, they aren't spending their OWN money, thyey are spending OURS. They DISGUST ME
CPT_America
My sentiments exactly. This thing has got to be stopped or my middle-class future is toast. I've been writing, calling, protesting, etc. These fat-cats are driving me into the street, but they're not listening anymore. . . none of them. I think both the House and the Senate are both corrupt beyond redemption.
Recon
I emailed my Senator to ask if received 'Bribe $$ for HealthCare vote'.
I'm starting an auto fax program, similiar to the pink slip Congress Campaign to blitz these 'basta*ds'
CPT_America
I'm doing the same thing. Stay on it. Vote em out if they don't listen. It's a grudge match that we're in.
NUTS ON YOUR CHIN
learn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGjqmG47cU&feature=player_embedded#
nipigon1
So this doctor says there will be taxes before the health care starts.
This is sometimes called "law away". Paying a bit until you can afford the whole. That sems to be a good idea.
The rest of his ideas don't seem to be important to most Doctors in this country.
My wife is a doctor in a private practice and she says this guy must be employed by the insurance company.
JumpStart
You gotta be kidding....it's called a shell game. It's the only way they could keep the cost for the first 10 years under a trillion dollars. If it's such a crisis, if people are dying in the streets, why are they waiting 4 years to implement the bill? Because they don't want to be in office when the whole thing costs 5 times what they said it would...8 or 9 years down the road.
NUTS ON YOUR CHIN
learn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGjqmG47cU&feature=player_embedded#
nipigon1
Why do people think that single payer system is so bad?
I grew up in Canada and I had no problem and my mother was diagnosed with Merkel Cell Carcinoma about four years ago. She was one of eight Canadians with that disease. She has no sign of any type of cancer now.
The cost of treatment? Zero dollars.
How much would that cost an American?
JumpStart
So what....you got lucky. I live in the Detroit Metro area, do you have any idea how many Canadians cross the border to get medial care here? Besides, it didn't cost ZERO !!!! Somebody paid a lot of taxes to pay for your Mom's treatment....some in America still believe in self reliance.
DGHankins
Is it me or is Ann Coulter turn in to a man....and does her husband know about it?
CPT_America
Just an observation. . . .none of you liberals ever attack conservatives on substance. You never argue facts or contradict a point. Argue the issue--personal attacks demonstrate ignorence, so put down the cool-aide and get informed. Of course, it's not sane to argue for higher taxes. You cannot argue CO2 emissions since that whole movement is now a sham with the UN emails released this week--too bad. Oh, civil rights and racism. . . .we have a black President now. Abortion on demand--51% of the populatioin is pro-life. So, how about wising-up, sir--get your head out of the sand and realize the life we have here is being taken from us one freedom at a time.
DGHankins
We need health-care reform, it is vital to the overall well being of this nation....
My problem is i hate the insurance company and really don't trust the government.
I am will to give the government a try, we have for profit insurance company since Nixon allow Kaiser Permanente for profit to sale service in California. See i am lucky, i am a disable Veteran i receive health-care for almost free this is not the case for many other out their . If i had to buy health insurance fro my self and family i would be paying 600+ a mouth.....we need to do something and weighting for health-care corporation or GOP to come up with a plain will never happen. So see even thought you may not like Oboma at least we are talking about and issue that need a resolution and soon.
d'Raven
Is it official, then? George really did disappear from the planet? Ho hum...
Recon
what a SCAM this show is.
Recon
what a SCAM this show is.
nipigon1
cosmo,
I have used the medical system once in Canada when I had pnuemonia.
I was given a prescription and went on my way.
I paid nothing. (well obviously I paid something. What i paid was 10% sales tax. That was what it cost me and mine for health care.
I know it is a rediculous added tax.
I would be very happy to pay 10% tax for health care here in New York if the 8% sales tax I already pay was added on to health care.
nipigon1
sorry cosmo, I meant that grithmmoutyhedeeds (or what ever) fellow. Or fellowess.
GIRTHOLICIOUS
It is time to cast aside all remaining doubt. President Obama is not trying to lead America forward to recovery, prosperity and strength. Quite the opposite, in fact.
The methodology is known as the Cloward-Piven Strategy;
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven were two lifelong members of Democratic Socialists of America who taught sociology at Columbia University (Piven later went on to City University of New York). In a May 1966 Nation magazine article titled "The Weight of the Poor," they outlined their strategy, proposing to use grassroots radical organizations to push ever more strident demands for public services at all levels of government.
The result, they predicted, would be "a profound financial and political crisis" that would unleash "powerful forces ... for major economic reform at the national level."
They implemented the strategy by creating a succession of radical organizations, most notable among them the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), with the help of veteran organizer Wade Rathke. Their crowning achievement was the "Motor Voter" act, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993 with Cloward and Piven standing behind him.
As we now know, ACORN was one of the chief drivers of high-risk mortgage lending that eventually led to the financial crisis. But the Motor Voter law was another component of the strategy. It created vast vulnerabilities in our electoral system, which ACORN then exploited.
ACORN's vote registration scandals throughout the U.S. are predictable fallout.
The Motor Voter law has also been used to open another vulnerability in the system: the registration of vast numbers of illegal aliens, who then reliably vote Democrat. Herein lies the real reason Democrats are so anxious for open borders, security be damned.
It should be clear to anyone with a mind and two eyes that this president and this Congress do not have our interests at heart. They are implementing this strategy on an unprecedented scale by flooding America with a tidal wave of poisonous initiatives, orders, regulations, and laws. As Rahm Emmanuel said, "A crisis is a terrible thing to waste."
The real goal of "health care" legislation, the real goal of "cap-and-trade," and the real goal of the "stimulus" is to rip the guts out of our private economy and transfer wide swaths of it over to the government to control. Do not be deluded by the propaganda. These initiatives are vehicles for change. They are not goals in and of themselves except in their ability to deliver power. They and will make matters much worse, for that is their design.
This time, in addition to overwhelming the government with demands for services, Obama and the Democrats are overwhelming political opposition to their plans with a flood of apocalyptic legislation. Their ultimate goal is to leave us so discouraged, demoralized, and exhausted that we throw our hands up in defeat. As Barney Frank said, "the middle class will be too distracted to fight."
These people are our enemies. They don't use guns, yet, but they are just as dangerous, determined, and duplicitous as the communists we faced in the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, and bush wars across the globe, and the Nazis we faced in World War II.
It is time we fully internalized and digested this fact, with all its ugly ramifications. These people have violated countless laws and could be prosecuted, had we the political power. Not only are their policies unconstitutional, but deliberately so -- the goal being to make the Constitution irrelevant. Their spending is off the charts and will drive us into hyperinflation, but it could be rescinded, had we the political power. These policies are toxic, but they could be stopped and reversed, had we the political power. Their ideologies are poisonous, but they could be exposed for what they are, with long jail sentences as an object lesson, had we the political power.
Every single citizen who cares about this country should be spending every minute of his or her spare time lobbying, organizing, writing, and planning. Fight every initiative they launch. It is all destructive. If we are to root out this evil, it is critical that in 2010 we elect competent, principled leaders willing to defend our Constitution and our country. Otherwise, the malevolent cabal that occupies the government today will become too entrenched.
After that, all bets are off.
DGHankins
you lack insight
NUTS ON YOUR CHIN
you lack intelligence
DGHankins
you lack insight
DGHankins
you lack insight
bolyztik
jobs is the most important thing. the supposed health care bill is for the people and better care. why try to keep people alive longer, because without a job and food on the table there is no need.
nipigon1
What is the problem with single pay insurance?
I've heard lots of people say it is bad but I haven't seen any reasons why it's bad.
I'm from Canada and I haven't seen any problems.
NUTS ON YOUR CHIN
http://www.minyanville.com/articles/index.php?a=23981
DGHankins
single payer health care can work and will work, soon in the US....I bet you will be the first in line when you turn 65 for med- cad......if you don't already have it....
cosmo
Have you been ill or needed to see a doctor?
nipigon1
Yes.
Have you?
What's your point?
ce
ROB BLAGOJEVICH was arrested for BRIBERY, but Harry Reid's BRIBERY PAYOFF of $300 Million dollars is OK. Liberals get by with TAX EVASION and BRIBERY, and no one says anything to them. If it were a republican, they would be out of office. Liberals are criminals. Where is Harry going to get that $300 Million Dollars?? Hugo Chavez?
rcaamo
They got the vote by the 60 votes. They did not notice that out here in the real world and the paying world, the bill failed by only 36% who agree with it.
Roland
@ W.2030
Some resort to personal attacks when called out.
Would have like to see the debate though, it was a good idea and would have been interesting to watch.
KPGREEN
Reid bought Landrieus vote for 300 million dollars and Landrieu is proud that she can be bought. This is how the liberal lunatics spend our tax money and their 1st stimulus was so unsuccessful they want another one. No wonder they have almost bankrupted this country. I pray america survives until next Nov.
Pleas join and support www.thespiritofamerica.org take a stand for america, for freedom and for OUR constitution
USCG(Ret)
Demand Don't Ask
Boy have you been obamaconed ! You know a a vet of vietnam i have free healthcare through the VA! haha if the doctor speaks english its not to bad! But most of the don't! at least not where you can understand them! Mine has to use a book while im talking to him!
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One reason i do not use the VA system for anything, and where i live TRICARE is useless because there are NO providers that take it as payment. So in the end I buy and psy for my own coverage and then submit to TRICARE for reembursment and wait weeks for it to get back.