Atheists Trigger Nativity Scene Ban
Dozens rallied in the borough's square Saturday afternoon to support a traditional nativity scene that has been placed there for years, but this season is conspicuously missing.
The local garden club usually sets up the nativity near the fountain at the intersection of Main Street and Lincoln Way, but the borough council recently put a stop to all displays in the square.
"I think it's a terrible sign of our times when we cannot have a nativity scene in our public square," Tim Stanton, a rally participant, said.
The borough decided to bar all displays from the square after an atheist, agnostic and secular humanist organization called Pennsylvania Nonbelievers (PAN) asked to set up a 3 ft. by 4 ft. sign reading "Celebrating Solstice -- Honoring Atheist War Veterans" in the square. Read more here.
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Why would an Atheist or an Agnostic care about Christian celebrations? If they were truly Atheist or Agnostic then it wouldn't matter. However, many know they are missing something from within, are miserable, and it pains them to see others celebrate the joy of God. http://www.apexaminer.com
Ellen S.
It is sad that wonderful traditions are being destoyed under the guise of political correctness. I'd like to spread a little holiday cheer with this great music video called "We Say Merry Christmas" the new Christmas Anthem for the NON-Politically Correct! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGcwZKz3CGo
MasterPrivateer
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Bless Our USA
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donttreadontom
You all are being too nice to each other. I personally cant wait to see someone try to take down my towns Christmas decorations and nativity! I hope its the so called "abortionlover" They certainly be seeing their mouth through their ass!!! How aboout that o' smart one?
Biafra for President
I didn't see any info. about the people who banned this "traditional nativity scene" is an athiest.
truckerrandy
his name is Sliverman he was from Waynesboro Pa. now he moved to Carlise Pa about 40 mile north of Chambersburg Pa He has been doing the same thing there for years. I guess He has to go to another town to start something. But there is all ready a sign up in the fountain for what He and his kind believe and that is nothing so much nothing that you can't see the sign
Tonyn77
"Agnostic and secular Humanist organization called Pennsylvania Non-Believers"... I think that about covers 'Atheist'. Keep trying though, you were close on that one.
J-Mo
Look, another person who didn't actually read the article - the town pulled the nativity scene after denying the Atheist group request to raise their rather non-controversial sign.
J-Mo
Look, another person who didn't actually read the article - the town pulled the nativity scene after denying the Atheist group request to raise their rather non-controversial sign.
Tonyn77
At least for the most part. Some Agnostics to believe in some sort of higher thought. Just thought I would clarify. But it is obvious that you, and these Pennsylvania Non-Believers, simply HATE Christians.... and you have no GOOD reason for it. You just like to HATE.
abortionlover
you don't need to see it here on FN. All you have to do is have the word Atheist and Christian in the topic title. The conservatives will do the rest.
Biafra for President
Hehe , thanks.
vikki0730
why do you keep posting this over and over across the boards?
abortionlover
another cut and paste job spammer
vikki0730
I am heading to Europe next week. It will be refreshing to see all the beautiful nativities, CHRISTMAS trees and people saying Merry CHRISTMAS!
Candycane
America has had great success in the past 200+ years with the family unit being the center piece for stability, growth, pride, empowerment and development of indivual accompolishments.
We are now in that downward spiral.
All great countries failed because of it's own lack of accountability, ethics, morals and irresponsable leaders.
Freedom is not free, we have to fight for it daily or we may loose it!
Trust in God and fight evil!
Let's reform goverment first.
Stop waste, fraud and abuse now.
Reduce our taxes so indivuals can stimulate the economy, the way we see fit!
Let's get medicare, medicade, and social security solvent first before we start something else we can't afford.
The goverment exists for two reasons only to protect the homeland and enforce the laws we the people make.
With this comes lower taxes and a enviroment that companies can compete in and give benefits to it's employee's ( medical).
Open competition between states to lower medical cost.
Cap lawsuits to lower medical cost.
Open medical school enrollement to all that qualify.
Stop waste, fraud and abuse first.
Stop all foreign aid.
Debra
and apparently you do read them abortion and apparently they do convict you of your s in or you wouldn't bother to comment. I think your comments are inane but you're still free to post them...*shrugs
Debra
12Therefore, just as s in entered the world through one man, and d eath through s in, and in this way d eath came to all men, because all s inned—
Biafra for President
Why do you put spaces between your letters where they do not belong? It sure is distracting while I love to read your well thought out literature...cough cough
Debra
Because it gets it through the filters. Cough all you like, I find it telling to see how stridently you b laspheme God and His Holy Bible. Your daddy S atan must be very proud of you and abortion lover *grins
Debra
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ d ied for the ung odly. 7Very rarely will anyone d ie for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to d ie. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still s inners, Christ d ied for us.
9Since we have now been justified by his b lood, how much more shall we be saved from God's w rath through him! 10For if, when we were God's e nemies, we were reconciled to him through the d eath of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Debra
Craig
God is all powerful and Loving right?
If god knows of the pain and suffering of man and chooses not to act he is not loving.
If he knows about pain and suffering but is unable to stop it he is not all powerful
*******
The Bible says, Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only so, but we also rejoice in our s ufferings, because we know that s uffering produces perseverance;
4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
Debra
Whereas of the 5 areas inside the Jefferson Memorial into which Jefferson’s words have been carved, 4 are God-centered, including Jefferson’s declaration that `God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever’;
Debra
Franktalk who says that Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were athiests...*laughs....I wonder sometimes where folks get their "info" but a few "facts" for you, hope you don't mind ; )
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Whereas in 1787 at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Benjamin Franklin declared, `God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? … Without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel’;
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Whereas President Jefferson not only attended Divine services at the Capitol throughout his presidency and had the Marine Band play at the services, but during his administration church services were also begun in the W ar Department and the Treasury Department, thus allowing worshippers on any given Sunday the choice to attend church at either the United States Capitol, the W ar Department, or the Treasury Department if they so desired;
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Whereas Thomas Jefferson urged local governments to make land available specifically for Christian purposes, provided Federal funding for missionary work among Indian tribes, and declared that religious schools would receive `the patronage of the government’;
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CzarsRUs
J-Mo.....the solstice is fast approaching. O.K. that's nice...but what does that have to do with making veteran atheists feel more included???
dist0rti0n
So your point is that you believe they put up the sign at this time of the year on purpose so that they could terrorize the local garden club - correct?
abortionlover
CzarsRUs,
You've been asking that question all day. No one here is gonna have an answer unless they are a part of PAN and know what happened.
J-Mo
Not my sign, but I do hope that Atheist veterans and everyone else enjoy the season. That said, this is one shout out to a group of veterans that didn't occur so its kind of moot.
Speedbump
ATHEIST TROLLS
What makes your dogma any more valid than a person of faith?
anontroll
Nothing. See freedom means i respect your beliefs and dont insult you for them and in turn you respect mine. I won't argue if your religion is right or wrong cause i have no right to impose my ideals upon you and vice versus.
J-Mo
Science is the study of the natural universe. Philosophically, that restricts it from dealing with the congecture that anything exists outside that nature (supernatural things, like gods).
Speedbump
Sure you do. The dogma of science.
J-Mo
Atheists don't have a dogma. They a category of people that have one common belief - there is no god (or any gods).
dist0rti0n
Science absolutely does not rely on faith. period.
Speedbump
Yes they do. I work in the field of quantum mechanics . What we're absolutely sure of is that there is no reality other than wave forms which are not matter. Science relies on the faith and is ALL theory. Atheist rely on there dualist observations, as do people of faith, to draw conclusions.
CzarsRUs
cwbell....didn't understand your answer. How does a sign that says Celebrate the Solstice make atheist veterans feel included?? Why not just put up a sign that says.....Thank you atheist veterans for your service. What does the solstice have to do with it????
J-Mo
Tis the season. Winter Solstice is fast approaching on Dec 21/22 and on Dec 25th, the days will start growing longer again. It truly is the reason for the season (no one knows what Day Jesus was really born and the date was picked in the 3rd Century because it was already a very popular holiday in the Roman empire)
Richy-Rich
We are the United States of the offended, ruled by the minority, under threat of litigation.
dist0rti0n
I agree - if the garden club had just kept to themselves then the nativity would still be up.
robert
WELL FELOW CHRISTIANS I THINK GOD WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD IN THE LATTER DISCUSSIONS GOING ON HERE.EVERY ONE HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE HIS OWN CHOICES IN LIFE.I AM TRYING NOT TO MAKE TOO MANY WRONG ONES ,HEAVEN SEEMS TO BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER PLACE TO RESIDE IN FOR ETERNITY.
Biafra for President
I sure hope god has a fox news acount!
Rick Mercer
IF YOU ARE LIVING YOUR LIFE AS IF THERE IS A GREAT REWARD AT THE END OF IT THEN YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. YOU ONLY HAVE ONE LIFE; MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD ONE.
Speedbump
cwbell
What rights are you being denied?
Gunnersmate
no one is claiming my rights are being denied but others of the religious views blame the atheists for what 3 christians on the 5 member board banning a nativity display so the atheists can not show thier display that is denied rights
Independent in AZ
@Speedbump
You still are not reading the story. You said, "why do atheist feel compelled to interfere with a specific religious display?" The atheists did NOT interfere with anything. They did not object to the nativity, they simply wanted their own sign in the PUBLIC square. Rather than allow the sign, the borough decided to bar all displays from the square.
Speedbump
There are no rights for anyone to display or not display. In a constitutional republic the force of law is first granted to the elected than to the courts if necessary. The real question is why do atheist feel compelled to interfere with a specific religious display.
OldAncientOne
Why are atheists so obsessed with religion? People that believe in God seem to drive them nuts. I don't get it.
J-Mo
Atheists generally don't care about religion except when Dogma (rather then reason) is being used to justify something polically. The constitution, 1st amendment gives people the freedom of religous thought and keeps government out of religion and religion out of government. If people just remebered that, there would be no issues ...
dist0rti0n
Because it's annoying to have to constantly retread the same arguments over and over again just to explain basic concepts. It impedes progress and prevents us from making new discoveries.