Climate Change Data Dumped: How Huge Is This Scandal?
SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.
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It hasn't escaped my attention that "climate change" stories appear under the "business" section. Science or business? You decide!
Grey Rider
The "green" party is nothing but a monumental swindle of the First world by the third world. Having lived in a third world country, my direct experience showed me that they can't build it for themselves, nor can they learn how to sustain it, but they strive to steal it even though it means utter destruction, world wide poverty and disease, and the end of civilization. Stealing from a "gringo rico" is something to be proud of, and they actually brag about it. Local authorities will not prosecute a national for stealing from a "gringo rico' but they will prosecute the gringo for making the accusation. I've seen it happen.
Jan in VA
It's big. It shows they cooked the books to give they're point of view.
Perplexed
it shows no such thing. Does anyone on this site ever read about the story or just get outraged at the often misleading headline?
Grey Rider
You certainly gave yourself a descriptive screen name. Do you think global warming means some places will be colder? That the core temperature of Earth is several million degrees, hotter than the sun? That hurricanes form on the equator and spin clockwise there? Go back to school, and pay attention this time.
Keltic1
Wouldn't REAL SCIENCE WANT others to duplicate findings with that raw data to help press the THEORY? So why again was it DESTROYED? lol
B.O.H.I.C.A.
According to obama - just a side issue. Really ! Bet your tax & cap is finished.
RushedLimbo
Glaciers have been growing and receeding for thousands of millenia. The Antarctic glaciers that Algore showed in his propaganda film are part of only 2% area in witch shrinking is occuring.The other 98% are growing.
DonE
Well the sciance is now reset. It was as Tom HARKIN says, A PILE OF DUNG.
Some people can fall into the pile and still refuse to admit how and why they stink.
dk and user name your sciance has been exposed for what it is. ( ABIG FAT LIE) Pretty much like Al Gore and The complete BARAK HUSSIEN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION . Take your meds and go to bed.
user name
Ok DonE, you win.
Ill just grow lazy and obese, pollute the environment, blindly worship deity's, talk ignorantly, watch fox ceaselessly and unquestioningly, and basically be a waste of precious air.
Something, of course, you'll know alot about.
They (libs) all read from the same script, don't they?
pseudoscience
so that is a change in your behavior? I think not.
DonE
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Lee In KY
I think this discussion is GREAT! Of course, scientific fact is NOT debatable. The temperature at which water freezes is 0 degrees Celsius. That can be demonstrated over and over - scientific fact. There is no such thing as a scientific consensus - it's either fact, or theory.
.
Libs that are still fighting haven't read the Climategate evidence. Man, you guys are totally screwed. Please go check it out! You're making yourselves look like fools and it's getting painful to watch.
fat albert
The alpine glacier atop East Africa’s Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking, yet scientific measurements show the mountain has been cooling for decades, and the temperature virtually never rises above freezing.
Kilimanjaro’s glacier has been receding since the 1800s, long before humans were emitting significant amounts of carbon dioxide.
user name
Are the photographs taken of melting glaciers hoaxes too?
DonE
Thanks quicksilver.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
31,486 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs
dk
9,029 who SAY they have PhDs. Nobody checks them. And in what? Veterinary science? I know that at least one of them is a vet, because I picked him at random and looked him up.
fat albert
At December's U.N. Global Warming conference in Poznan, Poland, 650 of the world's top climatologists stood up and said man-made global warming is a media generated myth without basis. Said climatologist Dr. David Gee, Chairman of the International Geological Congress, "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming?"
The earth's temperature peaked in 1998. It's been falling ever since; it dropped dramatically in 2007 and got worse in 2008, when temperatures touched 1980 levels.
dk
Again, I can read. And again, these people are self-identified. And do you really think that having a BS qualifies anyone as a "scientist"? My doctor, our family vet, and the nurse who gave me a blood test last week all have a BS or some equivalent. So do I. Are we all scientists? The Petition Project seems to think so. And why did the OISM find it necessary to print its original mailing to look EXACTLY like it came from the National Academy of Sciences? You don't think that maybe it hoped to fool some scientists into signing it without reading it, do you? Nah, I'm sure it was a coincidence.
fat albert
All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.
The Petition Project classifies petition signers on the basis of their formal academic training, as summarized below. Scientists often pursue specialized fields of endeavor that are different from their formal education, but their underlying training can be applied to any scientific field in which they become interested.
dk
Yes, I can read. But again, these are all self-identified. You can say whatever you want when you fill out the little form, and nobody will check. Furthermore, you only have to have a BS, which hardly qualifies anyone as a scientist. I have a BS, and I assure you that I don't consider myself to be a scientist. Neither does my doctor, our family vet, or the nurse who gave me a blood test last week. Yet we're all "scientists," as far as the petition is concerned..
Many people have taken random samples of names from the petition. Very few of the signers are qualified in a relevant field, and many of them aren't even scientists. I did this myself once with a small sample of about a dozen identifiable names. My sample contained no scientists in a relevant field.
fat albert
Outlined below are the numbers of Petition Project signatories, subdivided by educational specialties. These have been combined, as indicated, into seven categories.
1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,804 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.
2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.
3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,812 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.
4. Chemistry includes 4,821 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.
5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,965 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.
6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.
7. Engineering and general science includes 10,103 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.
user name
VVV Great argument DonE, you really stumped him there.
DonE
Who SAY THEY? I doe no. I ditint ax.
DonE
Who SAY THEY? I doe no. I ditint ax.
DonE
Who SAY THEY? I doe no. I ditint ax.
DonE
yea now they able to (Rigging a Climate 'Consensus' ) in otherwords use the computer to add false numbers. CHEAT> I hope the post the rest of ny info up to 2009.
dk
What false numbers were added? Which email is this in? Please quote your evidence.
dk
No response, I see. OK, SOMEBODY tell me which email says that "false numbers were added".
DonE
Annual mean U.S. temperatures vs. 11-year annual mean Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) plus Atlantic (AMO) temperatures, 1905-2000
dk I showed you mine you show me yours. Opps forgot misteriously disappeared.
DonE
Once someone gets stuck on stupid they need meds to get back to normal. CNN now there's some credibility.
"1895: Geologists think that the world may be froxen up again" The New York Times.
1912; "The human race will have to figt for itsexistance against cold" LosAngeles Times. Titanic strikes an iceberg and sinks. "An ice age is encroaching"
1923: "The ICE AGE is coming here" " The Washington Post"SCIANTIST Says ARTIC ICE WILL WIPE OUT Canada and ASIA. and Switzerland Would be Entirely Obliterated" Chicago Tribune"
1930s "Searing Heat and Drought turns nation midsections into "Dust Bowl" "History"
1933 "Ameica in longest warn spell since "1776" with temperatures in a 25 year rice" "The New York Times"
1939 "weathermen have no doubt that the world, at least for the time , is growing warmer"being" TIME Mag
"Early to mid 1950s North America experiebces above-normal temperatures, drought, andon the east coast devistating hurricanes"
1952" Melting Glaciers are the trump card of Global Warming"The New York Times.
1060 "Brutal Cold Prevails WORLDWIDE."
1970s "THe chill continues. TIME and NEWSWEEK magazines report on the COMING ICE AGE"
1976-79The UNITED STATES and many other Parts of the Western Hemisphere experience the coldest contiguous winters on record.: HISTORY"
1979: "Planfor the study of (DOME) Over is approved" (WINOOSKI, Vermont: to protect the city from COLD" The New York Times.
user name
Reasearch methods have improved a little over the last 30 years buddy.
pseudoscience
Yes, socialist propagandizing has improved its sophistication tremendously.
user name
Keep latching onto this false hope to justify your continuing laziness and ignorance.
Lee In KY
They learned to mask the data better before they get their grants?
fat albert
well here's another anonymous poll
http://www.petitionproject.org/
dk
Huh? It's not a poll, and it's not anonymous.
fat albert
exactly
Vietnam Veteran
An inconvenient truth.But you can bet the liberals will spin it. They will claim the scientists are not "Climatologists". But Climatologists have a financial interest in global warming. No crisis, no job........
DonE
TO dk.
nO IT DISAPEARED. hummmm. iN THE 70'S ACORDING TO THES SAME IDIOTS WE WERE FACING AN ice age.hummmm. SO THE QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE? aND WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO COVER UP THE TRUTH
user name
There is an abundance of evidence, continuing to grow, in support of global warming.
p.s you seem to be leaning on your shift key.
DonE
The outright corruption in this ADMIN is going to be usefull when it comes time to prosecute in the future. Al gORE ,obama< AND HOLDER BEING ON THE TAKE . nOW acorn IS GOING TO GET FEDERAL FUNDING AGAIN.
DonE
just keep the lie going. Most credable scientist do not agree. Its like Healthcare most people do not agree or think healthcare needs to be fixed. Stop with the lies jst tell the truth. The only thing wrong with Healthcare and global warming is the lying cheating GOV.
dk
"Most credible scientist do not agree."
Actually, they do. Two separate anonymous polls put the overall agreement among scientists in the 85-90% range. Do you have evidence otherwise? What is it?
dk
Vet - hmm, you guys love to quote anonymous polls on Obama's approval rating. So, it's only OK when the numbers come out the way you like them, or what?
user name
According to the obvious choice, STATS.org -
In 2008, over eight out of ten American climate scientists believe that human activity contributes to global warming, according to a new survey released by the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at George Mason University. The researchers also report that belief in human-induced warming has more than doubled since the last major survey of American climate scientists in 1991.
Between March 19 through May 28, 2007 Harris Interactive conducted a mail survey of a random sample of 489 self-identified members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union who are listed in the current edition of American Men and Women of Science. A random sample of this size carries a theoretical sampling error of +/- four percentage points. A detailed description of the study’s methodology as well as that of the earlier Gallup survey is available on request.
Vietnam Veteran
@no user name
A CNN news article? According to a recent survey? Does not explain who was asked and where. The poll is still anonymous. Were they members of the IPCC that were polled?
user name
News article from CNN 2009-
According to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists.
Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.
Vietnam Veteran
I can't believe you quote an "anonymous" poll, that destroyed any credibility you may have had. This is the no spin zone, we deal in credible facts. You posted the facts, it's your job to prove them correct, not out job to prove them wrong.